Month: September 2019

Pat Benatar: From Heartbreaker to True Love

Pat Benatar: From Heartbreaker to True Love

By Steven P. Wheeler

It was 39 years ago this week that Pat Benatar’s iconic rock hit “Hit Me With Your Best Shot” was released, as it quickly became an anthem for female empowerment. Just like her platinum-selling debut album, In the Heat of the Night, did a year earlier with the ferocious, in-your-face power of “Heartbreaker” and her perfect gender twisting rendition of John Mellencamp’s “I Need a Lover.”

Pat Benatar’s iconic Top Ten hit was released this week back in 1980.

For ten years, between 1979 and 1988, the former Patricia Andrzejewski from Long Island was rock’s reigning queen, releasing six consecutive platinum and multi-platinum albums (with three others that reached Gold).

Pat Benatar performs (well, lip-synchs) a double-shot of attitude from her debut album. But what’s up with that interview, Dick? “How much do you weigh?”

The fiery vocalist, who turned miniskirts, leotards and headbands into a fashion trend, cracked the Top 40 no less than 15 times (!) and dominated the Grammy’s Rock Female Vocalist category with four straight wins between 1980-83.

Spotlighting the high school trend of Pat Benatar lookalikes, from the classic comedy “Fast Times at Ridgemont High.”

But Benatar didn’t do all this alone however, as her guitarist, songwriter, producer and musical director, Neil “Spyder” Giraldo, was the creative force behind the curtain all along the way. From their love-at-first-sight meeting in 1978, the two eventually married in 1982 and remain so to this very day.

It is a professional and personal partnership that has never faltered as they continue to perform 40 years after first bursting on the scene in 1979. They remain a refreshing rarity in the world of rock & roll.

From their marriage in 1982 to today, Neil Giraldo and Pat Benatar, along with their two daughters, are a rarity among rock & roll romances: 37 years and counting.

Yet after the release of 1988’s Wide Awake in Dreamland, Benatar took a two-year hiatus to raise their daughter, Haley (Neil and Pat would be blessed a second time in 1994 with daughter, Hana), and finish building their impressive Malibu residence, while also immersing herself in various childrens’ charities dedicated to fighting child abuse.

The song that Benatar says is the most important song that she and Giraldo ever wrote. Dedicated to fighting child abuse, this 2001 performance demonstrates that the fire and anger over the subject is still deeply within her heart.

During that two-year sabbatical Benatar contemplated retirement and for the first time in her life music took a backseat. So what did the influential figure of future female rockers do for an encore when she returned to the public eye in 1991? She shed the rock goddess image, hired a band called Roomful of Blues, and made a genuine blues album.

The resulting gem of an album, True Love, would become another Gold record—despite having no rock or pop radio support—and has continued to grow in stature and acceptance nearly 30 years later. On a personal note, let me just say that it should be part of any record collection. To this day, Benatar still says that the making of True Love was a highpoint in her career.

“I was really thinking of retiring at that point, because I was just so unhappy creatively. And there’s no point in making dead records, because you should be so happy and grateful that you have the opportunity to do this for a living.”

Pat Benatar (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6uAkZsQwPk
The title track from Benatar’s brilliant 1991 blues album, True Love.

Visiting the Giraldos

With that in mind, I thought this would be the perfect time to go back to the memorable Saturday in the spring of 1991, when I visited Pat and Neil at the large estate they call home in Malibu, California. With their home studio on one end and their residence on the other, with a basketball court in between—obviously for the sports loving man of the house and not for the five-foot-tall Benatar—I was greeted by the ponytailed Giraldo, who walked me in to the impressive recording studio where they had just recorded their latest album.

In August of 1981, “You Better Run” became the second video ever played on MTV—after “Video Killed the Radio Star” by the Buggles—making Benatar the first female to ever appear on the new music channel and Neil Giraldo becoming the first guitarist to appear on screen.

The plan was for Neil and I to do our interview alone, and then Pat would come down to sit with me while her husband went off to play with his local softball team. As we sat down in the studio, the guitarist suddenly had another idea. “It’s a beautiful day out. Do you wanna see my favorite place in the whole world?”

This SoCal guy never minded a little sunshine, so I grabbed my tape recorder, papers and backpack. Little did I know that the backpack was apropos as Giraldo proceeded to lead me on a rather lengthy hike up a trail into the green hills overlooking their home and studio.

We stopped at a small clearing where a large rock and tree trunk served as nature’s furniture and as I dropped my stuff and turned around, I could see why this spot would be someone’s favorite place. Talk about Zen.

As deer scampered below, the Ohio-born musician simply said: “I consider myself very fortunate. I couldn’t be any happier in my life. I love everything about it. I love my family, and I love my music.”

Live performance of the song that resulted in the third of Benatar’s four Grammys.

Hard to imagine anyone feeling differently as I soaked in the tranquil setting, but there are those that would (just check Facebook and you’ll see millions of them). Giraldo isn’t one of those though. The epitome of the laid-back rock star, his personable and optimistic nature is not only cool, but real. Not pollyannish, annoying or fake.

Just another Top 40 hit for Benatar and Giraldo.

The Saga Begins

The Cleveland-born Giraldo was playing keyboards and guitar with Rick “Rock & Roll Hootchie Koo” Derringer in the late ‘70s before his fateful meeting with his future musical partner and wife.

“Chrysalis Records had just signed Pat to her record deal, and she was looking for a musical director, and they heard about me through [Rick] Derringer. It’s funny, because I was writing songs throughout the time I was with Derringer, but they didn’t fit his style. So when Pat and I met, we definitely felt something musically—as well as a personal attraction.”

Grammy win number two.

The petite superstar with the three-and-a-half octave range agreed, saying during our later one-on-one interview in their studio: “When I got my record deal, I told my record company that I wanted a musical partner, not just a guitar player, and they went out and found Neil. Obviously I did get much more than a guitar player.”

For her part, Benatar fell in love when Giraldo first walked in the audition room and when he played his first chord; that was it. But Benatar was still in the middle of a divorce (she married a military man at the young age of 19) and Giraldo was dating actress Linda Blair at the time.

Throw in the fact that the record company execs were fearful of a Fleetwood Mac situation as broken romances within a band don’t always lead to classic works, and it became clear the two would have to wait as they managed to hold back their feelings as their career took off like a skyrocket.

Then as fate would have it, Benatar’s divorce finalized as Giraldo’s other relationship ended. They no longer fought those pent-up emotions and they were wed in 1982.

Burnout & Motherhood

Following their 1988 album, Wide Awake in Dreamland, which included another hit single, “All Fired Up,” the four-time Grammy winner and mother was truly burnt out after a non-stop, ten-year roller coaster of recording studios and endless tours. It was time to take a break, if not call it quits entirely.

Although the raucous “All Fired Up” kept their string of hit singles alive, Benatar and Giraldo were in need of some musical rejuvenation by the dawn of the 1990s.

“I was really thinking of retiring at that point,” Benatar told me in 1991, “because I was just so unhappy creatively. And there’s no point in making dead records, because you should be so happy and grateful that you have the opportunity to do this for a living.

“So when that feeling goes away, it’s just not right. I didn’t get the feeling onstage that I used to have and that really bothered me, because it should feel great.

“The three of us—Myron [Grombacher, drummer], Neil and myself—decided that we really couldn’t do another one of those rock records again. We had been doing it for so long, and it really wasn’t feeling the same.”

Another Top 20 hit, before the fatigue began to set in.

Giraldo, in our separate interview, confirmed his wife’s thoughts, saying: “We were being stylized as something and had become almost like caricatures of ourselves, and we didn’t want to fall into that trap. We had a lot of restraints over the previous 12 years, which was the main factor in making things difficult to deal with at that time.”

“When you have a child, your whole perspective is completely changed forever, and that sense of change encompasses everything that you do. It filters into everything that you think and feel. Motherhood opened up everything in my life, and it’s the best thing that ever happened to me.”

Pat Benatar (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

And when you throw in that little life-change called motherhood, well, suffice it to say that nothing will ever really be the same, as the singer pointed out: “When you have a child, your whole perspective is completely changed forever, and that sense of change encompasses everything that you do.

“It filters into everything that you think and feel. So I started looking at things from another point of view. The main thing is that I didn’t want to box myself in like I did before. Motherhood opened up everything in my life, and it’s the best thing that ever happened to me.”

Benatar, then noted with a laugh that she even curtails her career these days when school is in session. Just a regular mom spending a few days a week at her daughter’s school, “I’m just Haley’s mom. Mrs. Giraldo, the school librarian.”

“Love is a Battlefield” was Benatar’s fourth consecutive Grammy win.

One also gets a taste of normalcy when Giraldo enters the studio, donning his softball uniform and carrying a gym bag stuffed with bats and gloves, and says, “Great meeting you, Steven,” with a shuffling of the baggage to shake hands, before turning to his wife and saying, “Okay, hon, I’m heading out.”

Pat says, “Oh, B.C. called, and asked if you could pick him up.” [B.C. being softball teammate and longtime L.A. radio deejay and host of Rockline, Bob Coburn. The radio personality passed away in 2016]. With a quick kiss on the cheek, Giraldo is off. And I just have to say that there is something pretty cool hearing one of rock’s biggest superstars, calling out to her husband as he heads out the door: “Oh, can you pick up some milk on the way home?”

New Contract, New Music

Feeling pigeonholed artistically and looking for a new musical direction, Pat and Neil flexed their muscles when it came time to negotiate a new contract with their longtime label, Crysalis Records. Not only did they secure higher royalty rates for their past and future albums, but they demanded, and received, the freedom to reinvigorate their muse in any fashion they deemed necessary.

“Neil is always coming up with ideas of what to do, and he wanted us to make a blues album, just to do something totally different than anything we had done before. And I told him, ‘No way!’”

Pat Benatar (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

“When we re-negotiated for a new album with Chrysalis,” Giraldo said. “They gave us more control to do whatever we wanted to do. They told us to make the record that we wanted to make and to give it to them when it was ready.

“We’ve started over from scratch,” the guitarist continued. “I just hope people accept it for what it is and not hate it because it’s not what we were. We’ll have to wait and see.”

And just what that new direction was would not only stun their longtime fans, but, in fact, Benatar herself wasn’t into Giraldo’s idea at first either. “Neil is always coming up with ideas of what to do,” she said, with a sarcastic eyeroll, “and he wanted us to make a blues album, just to do something totally different than anything we had done before. And I told him, ‘No way!’ [laughs].

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWoxnGsjeXY
Pat and Neil performing with Roomful of Blues on Johnny Carson’s Tonight Show.

“I mean, just because you listen to and love a particular style of music doesn’t mean that you have any sort of affinity for it as an artist. Rock and blues are obviously connected, but the technique is completely different.

“The blues is much more subtle; the vocals are a lot more control-oriented and the phrasing is really pulled back compared to singing rock & roll. So there was a bit of a process of trying to figure out whether I could sing this material. Suffice it to say that I was not convinced and totally against the idea at first.”

The lovebirds at the time of the True Love album in 1991.

But having full belief in her partner’s instincts, Benatar did agree to at least give it some further thought by doing a little homework. “Neil told me to sit in the room with all this blues stuff and see if anything stirred my mind. So that’s what we did, and it went from 500 to 300 to 250 to 50 songs until we finally got it down to 15. I mean we could do 20 volumes of this stuff.”

“I didn’t consciously look at what Linda [Ronstadt] did and say, ‘If she can do it, I can do it.’ But I certainly saw what she had done and saw that it is possible to make a clean break from everything you had done in the past and try something entirely new.”

Pat Benatar (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

In addition to the cover songs, the album also features four original songs that were written in the style of the bygone era, including the seductive title track. However when it came to the songs by others, Benatar said she was always conscious not to get too enraptured by what she was hearing.

“I tried not to listen too intently to the original versions that we covered,” she said, “because I didn’t want to start coping vocal licks. The thing is that you can’t duplicate what they did originally, and to even presume that you could is stupid, so I tried to sing them as if they were my songs.”

From 1979 through today, Benatar and Giraldo have continued to perform.

Eventually, she came around, and felt a renewed passion for moving forward with her career again. “Once you put away all the fear of trying something new, you get revitalized. If you do something too long, you get locked into it so much until you can’t see anything else anymore. And I don’t think I have the personality that can move gradually from one thing to another. And this project helped wipe the slate clean, and I feel good about making records again.”

When I mentioned another superstar vocalist who had abandoned her own successful pop career in search of an entirely different musical path, Benatar nods in agreement. “I didn’t consciously look at what Linda [Ronstadt] did and say, ‘If she can do it, I can do it.’ But I certainly saw what she had done and saw that it is possible to make a clean break from everything you had done in the past and try something entirely new.”

Jumping Blues

Neil’s idea for a blues album would be a major shift as to what went before for the two artists. This wasn’t to be one of those standard issue blues/rock projects. Not even close. This was to be a big band sound of jumping blues. Where the music swings, rather than plods.

Ripping through the rollicking “Bloodshot Eyes” on Johnny Carson’s Tonight Show.

“The original idea for the record that I wanted to make was patterned after an album that Roomful of Blues made with Big Joe Turner about ten years ago,” explained the musical mastermind. “So, in my mind, I kept thinking of that sound, and I finally realized that I might as well get the band that I was thinking about.”

Having finally convinced Pat about the concept of his idea, Giraldo then had to do another sell of his brainchild. This time to the band in question. “When I originally talked to the guys in Roomful of Blues, they thought I meant we were making a blues/rock album and they told me in no uncertain terms that they weren’t the right band for us.

“But when I mentioned their album with Big Joe Turner and that I wanted to do some T-Bone Walker songs and things like that, they were convinced.”

Covering B.B. King with a true love of the blues.

Once the material was selected and the vocalist and band were on board, Giraldo now focused on how to best record this huge band and capture them live in their home studio. “I looked at this project more like a producer, because there have been times in the past when I get caught between being the guitarist and the producer and the arranger,” he admitted. “But when we started this project, I wanted to focus the energy around the whole rhythm of the band, as well as the vocals.

“Now I’ve worked with horn sections a little bit in the past, and I had mikes on each individual horn at the outset of this recording. But it only took me 25 minutes to realize that it wasn’t going to work that way. So I moved them around the room and put a couple of tube mikes up, because I wanted all that live energy to be mixed around.”

Pointing to their home studio below from where we sat on the hill, the studio wizard said: “That studio has a very nice room sound to it, and the close miking was choking the overall sound of everything. I wanted that ‘air’ around everybody, but once everybody gets in the studio, the sound gets soaked up a little bit, which in retrospect was good, otherwise it would have been like being in a reverb tent.”

The recording went incredibly quick—only two weeks—and Giraldo captured it all with incredible precision. “It might sound like jive,” he said, “but there’s a real family feeling among the people who played on this album. It’s that family thing that makes great takes and keeps things rolling.

“It was boom, boom, boom, one right after the other, and I think that feeling comes across because I think it has a very happy feeling to it. Even though it’s the blues, I think this album makes you feel good.”

Thoughts & Reactions

“We had no delusions of this style of music being readily accessible to radio, but you can’t let it stand in front of your original motivations. I’m just going to see what happens. Right now, I’m a junkie, and I’m hooked on the blues.”

Pat Benatar (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

When it came time to deliver their new album (and musical direction) to the label folks at Chrysalis, the reaction was shock, as Benatar is happy to point out: “No, the record company definitely wasn’t expecting an album like this. They knew that we wanted to do something different, but they had no idea that we meant this,” she said with a hearty laugh.

“It’s like they passed out, and we gave them some oxygen. But once they heard it, they loved it. The thing is that we had no delusions of this style of music being readily accessible to radio.

“Sure you care about those things,” she continued, “but you can’t let it stand in front of your original motivations. I’m just going to see what happens. Right now, I’m a junkie, and I’m hooked on the blues. It’s just a different attitude and a whole other vibe all together.”

Pat singing the blues.

Giraldo said that although the two of them had always had battles with their record company in the past, the new regime there was onboard once they heard the finished album. “In the past, they didn’t like certain things we did; they wouldn’t like the mix on this song or they thought that song was too fast. But I think they’ve really got some great people in there right now, who understand the concept of artistic freedom.

“They love this album, which feels great because they had no idea what we were doing until we were done.”

“People loved Crimes of Passion. People always say it’s my best album, and I’m thinking to myself, ‘Shit, you don’t know how good I could have sung on that record.’ I don’t think I can say that I’ve ever made an album that I’m thrilled with as a whole. That’s just the way it is with me—you’re never satisfied.”

Pat Benatar (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

Benatar agreed whole-heartedly with that assessment, noting past struggles with former execs who liked to dip their hands in where they didn’t belong: “It’s a different company now, because there’s been a big personnel change, and the new people don’t pretend to have anything to do with the creative end of things. They’re business people, and they know that, which wasn’t the case there in years gone by.”

Back in the pre-blues days, Benatar and Giraldo had a #5 hit with “We Belong.”

That sentiment becomes clearer when the opera singer turned rock icon surprised me by saying: “I love this whole record, and it’s a rare thing for me to be satisfied with an entire album of mine. I mean, people loved Crimes of Passion [her 1980 album, which won her the first of four consecutive Grammy Awards and remains the biggest selling album of her career].

“But I just want to scream when people say that, because it was just a bunch of material that didn’t work for me, and I wasn’t happy with it because we were so rushed to make it. People always say it’s my best album, and I’m thinking to myself, ‘Shit, you don’t know how good I could have sung on that record.’”

But surely the success of that record makes up for any armchair quarterbacking a decade later, no? “Well, yes, the success of an album anesthetizes that feeling,” Benatar admitted, “but it doesn’t make it better. It’s still there for all of time for people to hear.

“I don’t think I can say that I’ve ever made an album that I’m thrilled with as a whole. That’s just the way it is with me—you’re never satisfied, you can’t get it all right, so you just go for as much as you can.”

The haunting bluesy rock of “Girl” from their last studio album “Go!” in 2003.

Final Thoughts

As our time together grew to a close, I asked Pat to summarize her current state of being. Having made a major upheaval to the direction of her music career while balancing the real demands of motherhood.

“I’m 38 years old,” she said at the time in 1991, “and I finally feel like I have a grip on my life, on my ability. I just feel like I’m starting out again. This album has been like a shot that cleans you out and gets your juices flowing again—you’re excited and scared at the same time. It’s given me all the things that you need to have to be creative.

One of the four originals written for the “True Love” album.

“I don’t know if the rock thing is awkward for myself and others my age, but, for me, it needs to be augmented, because it’s not what it was. If I ever do go back and make albums like I did before, this experience can only make it that much better, because what I’ve learned on this project in such a short time is amazing.

“Looking back on everything, I guess this album was a natural step. Every ten years I seem to try a whole different thing.

“And, truthfully, it is out of pure admiration and extreme reverence that I made this record. This album is a personal thing, but the secondary factor involved with this project is hopefully that people who don’t know these incredibly influential musicians are going to check out the rest of their stuff.

“A lot of people don’t know about all these great blues artists who really started it all, which is amazing to me,” she said, before adding with a laugh, “I mean, it didn’t just start with Elvis Presley.”

The Top Ten hit, “Invincible,” from 1985’s “Seven the Hard Way” album.

I couldn’t think of a better way to end my latest time-travel than to pull this quote from Pat’s excellent 2010 autobiography, Between a Heart and a Rock Place. Her outlook in 1991 and what she would write in her book 20 years later clearly shows a woman who had found herself. Invincible, indeed.

“As the producer for VH1’s show Behind the Music once told me—mine is one of the only stories that doesn’t involve at least one trip to rehab. I’m proud to say that like a lot of rock & roll truisms, that whole debate about burning out or fading away is bullshit—the same crap music execs kick up to sell records and make you think that rock music only belongs to people under 30.

“A true rocker is going to do whatever the hell she wants to, whether she’s a school teacher, a CEO of a large corporation, or someone’s mommy. Because that’s what rock & roll is really about: following your passion with no apologies. Following that sound in your head that only you can hear. I believe that every step, good or bad, has been a step forward. People much smarter than I am have long agreed life’s not meant to be perfect.

“Over the past 31 years I have been a singer, a lover, a businesswoman, a daughter, a friend, a wife, a mother, and yes, sometimes even a rock star. In my journey I tried my best to honor all of these things. In the end, I suppose that’s all that’s really required. I am exactly where I want to be. The only clock that I punch is the one that I built myself.”

Here’s to building your own clock and being a rocker no matter what you do in your own life’s journey.

Ode to Neil

And, finally, I would be remiss if I didn’t include a tribute to the musical brilliance of one, Neil Giraldo. Outside of his work with his wife and musical partner, the vastly unsung guitar hero was spreading his Midas Touch throughout some of the biggest hits in the ‘80s, as well as working with the should-have-been-huge band the Del-Lords. Here’s just a very small sampling of Neil’s non-Benatar work:

The chart-topping 1981 hit featured Neil Giraldo on bass and guitar.
Giraldo produced the solo debut of former Babys’ vocalist John Waite, featuing this hit single.
Another ’80s hit featuring the six-string prowess of Neil Giraldo. This time it was on this Kenny Loggins duet with Journey frontman Steve Perry.
Giraldo also produced two albums for the critically acclaimed Del-Lords.
Ric Ocasek: In Memory Of…

Ric Ocasek: In Memory Of…

By Steven P. Wheeler

Fans of ‘80s rock have had a tough time the past few days. First, we lost the everyman of rock Eddie Money, and yesterday the head mechanic of The Cars—Ric Ocasek—passed away at the age of 75. The similarities between these two is as interesting as their public personas were different.

Both were from the East Coast—Eddie from NY and Ric from Boston, where he moved from Ohio in the early ‘70s. Both found their initial taste of stardom relatively late in life, both in their Thirties, and both with classic debut albums; Eddie in 1977 and Ric with The Cars in 1978. But where Eddie was brash, outspoken, and clearly loved the stage, Ric was the quiet, quirky artist who never seemed overly comfortable under the concert lights.

First track, first side, first album, and the rest was musical history.

Although The Cars were not flashy onstage, they were consummate professionals, sticking to Ocasek’s brilliant songs as recorded and not getting self-indulgent along the way. But they showcased, without pretension, the vastly underrated six-string prowess of Elliot Easton, the keyboard hopping of Greg Hawkes, and the versatile rhythm section of the late bassist and co-lead singer Benjamin Orr and drummer David Robinson.

And while neither Eddie Money nor The Cars were perhaps anyone’s #1 favorite artist, they were very likely in the Top 20 of favorite artists for millions of rock fans of that particular era. And that is what made them so successful, along with their genuine gift of creating infectious music and memorable lyrical hooks.

They were harmless in that sense, both focusing on creating irresistibly melodic works without offending anyone. You won’t find any annoying political screeds in their work that pit us against each other. And maybe that’s why their music transcended beyond their careers during their lifetimes and will continue to do so now that they are gone.

“I don’t write political songs. I can watch the news on TV or read it in the newspapers and it’s already distorted enough. I certainly don’t need my news from some rock star who believes they are also an authority on the news.”

Ric Ocasek (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

Today, I’m reminiscing about my meeting with Ric Ocasek, not long after The Cars had disbanded and he had released his third solo effort, Fireball Zone. While we can all mourn the loss of this unique and hugely successful music artist, who let his music do most of his talking, it’s also a good time to revisit some of his timeless work that will far surpass his 75 years in this mortal sphere.

Ocasek’s pop sensibilities and his sometimes dark and humorously sarcastic lyrical tones (often masked behind upbeat music and poetic imagery) are not surprising when Ocasek revealed, “I love the Carpenters and I love the Velvet Underground.”

This seemingly bizarre blending of tip-top pop craft with haunting tones riding a driving beat is what made Ric Ocasek such a unique songwriter, one like no other. This was minimalist rock at its finest, with otherworldly textures thrown on like the most delectable of frostings. Thankfully, Ocasek was around long enough to see The Cars inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame just last year.

The members of The Cars give their acceptance speeches at their induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame one year ago. Sadly, the band’s bassist and co-lead singer Benjamin Orr passed away from cancer in 2000. Ocasek, who gives his speech last, chokes up a bit when talking about his longtime friend and band mate.

Unlike his perceived public image, when we sat down back in 1991, I found Ocasek to be extremely personable, candid, talkative, and quick with a laugh. Just a regular guy, who just so happened to have created some of the most timeless music to have arisen from the ashes of the ‘70s as his band would go on to reach even further heights of success throughout the ‘80s.

In an MTV-enhanced era where countless one-hit artists shot up the charts and quickly disappeared, Ocasek and The Cars were a welcome mainstay for a dozen years spitting out hits so quickly that it was hard to keep track of them all, and still is all these years later.

As many of the bands (insert “image” here) who gained a little success through MTV failed to capture audiences outside the core viewing audience, Ocasek’s tasty song craft managed to bypass that limitation. His songs pleased not only the teens of the late ‘70s and early ‘80s with their fresh new sound, but Ocasek’s mastery of melody and a unique lyrical approach also bridged the gap with the older classic rock fans who could also appreciate the engaging riffs that were the foundation of their “New Wave” sound.

In a polarizing musical decade, Ocasek and The Cars were arguably the only band that found success across all musical camps. No easy feat, and a legacy that lives on today with even this era’s teens.

Born in Maryland, the Ocasek family moved to Ohio when Ric was in his teens. After graduating high school in 1963 and spending a couple of years in college, he dropped out and met his future musical brother, Benjamin Orr, in 1965.

Unlike how The Cars would burst on the national music scene in 1978, seemingly out of nowhere, Ocasek definitely paid his dues for more than a decade in and out of bands as often as most people change their socks. “I was probably in 15 bands before forming The Cars,” he said, “and some of the guys in The Cars were in some of my earlier bands. Elliot [Easton, guitarist] was in one of them, [keyboardist] Greg Hawkes was in one of them, and Ben was probably in ten of them [laughs].

“I thought that maybe we’d get a little record deal, be a cult band and put out a record. That was what I was envisioning at the time.”

Ric Ocasek (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

“So with The Cars, it was Ben and I, and then we brought Elliot back and we brought Greg back, and then we just had to find a drummer and David [Robinson] was the one we wanted. And what was good about this band when we started was that it was about the songs; it wasn’t about musician egos.”

But it still wasn’t any overnight success, as The Cars played around the East Coast for a year-and-a-half before they landed their record deal with Elektra Records. “I think my songs were just getting better,” Ocasek said modestly, “and the band itself really spurred a lot of that writing inspiration for me. With that band, compared to all the other ones, we were getting fans and it was clicking along and going pretty well.”

The Cars, pictured (L-R): guitarist Elliot Easton, drummer David Robinson, bassist/vocalist Benjamin Orr, songwriter/guitarist/vocalist Ric Ocasek and keyboardist Greg Hawkes.

Ironically, Ocasek never thought that his band would find mega-stardom. “I thought we might get a record deal, but since all those other bands I was in didn’t achieve that, I really didn’t know. I thought that maybe we’d get a little record deal, be a cult band, and put out a record. That was what I was envisioning at the time.”

Riding the New Wave

“I’m sure that timing was a part of what happened with us getting signed because radio was much more open in those days,” Ocasek explained. “We were just a local band in Boston and we were getting our songs played on local radio, which was pretty unheard of at the time. So there was a rebellious scene going on in music, and we happened to be there at the same time.”

But they were also being lumped in with bands and artist who were much younger than they were. Ocasek was already in his mid-Thirties when the band signed their first record deal. “We never considered ourselves to be New Wave or part of a movement or anything like that,” he told me. “We were around before that term ever came into being. But I think because we were a new band that played rock with some different colors and the lyrics were a bit obscure that the press started putting us in that New Wave bucket.”

Debut Stardom

With the release of their self-titled debut The Cars were instant stars, shocking the band members themselves. The album has gone on to sell more than six million copies in the U.S. alone. With three infectious hit singles—”Just What I Needed,” “My Best Friend’s Girl” and “Good Times Roll—along with a slew of more adventurous FM rock radio standards like “Bye Bye Love,” “Moving in Stereo” (cue Phoebe Cates in Fast Times at Ridgemont High) and “You’re All I’ve Got Tonight,” The Cars were soon everywhere.

With a little help from famed producer Roy Thomas Baker, who was the studio captain behind Queen’s layered epic “Bohemian Rhapsody,” The Cars took their already unique sound and turned it into perfection in the studio. “The first Cars’ album is a totally live record. We literally went from the clubs into the studio. We finished recording that album in 12 days,” Ocasek said with a laugh. “That really was a live album with quite a bit of overdubbed harmonies, which was [producer] Roy Thomas Baker’s idea.

“[Those harmonies] actually shocked all of us, but we really liked it. We liked how harmonically thick it was even though we were never a band that sat around and sang in harmony with each other. But when Roy came up with that layered harmony sound, we liked it so much that we stuck with that kind of harmony vocal sound throughout our recording career.”

When I spoke with the legendary Baker a year earlier we had discussed how he had made a name for himself with bands like Queen, but how his work with The Cars was as sparse as Queen’s kitchen sink productions.

“That first Cars’ record is still selling,” Baker told me over some afternoon martinis. “I knew it was a good album when we were making it, but I really had no idea it would be as big as it was, and still is.

“With that record, because I was being put down in the press for over-producing everything,” the blonde producer told me, with a laugh, “I made a conscious effort to over-produce under-producing.

“With The Cars, if there was a hole in the music, I made it bigger rather than filling it up with textures and things. That’s where you get that magical feeling of ‘air’ on that album.”

Ocasek agreed, saying, “That’s interesting that you talked to Roy about that. What Roy brought to that first record, besides his craziness and enthusiasm, was that he knew a lot about ambient mic’ing because he had done a lot of work with orchestras in his past, and that helped us get the sound of that record that a lot of people still talk about.”

Interestingly enough, the Bean Town band recorded the album at AIR Studios in London, which was then owned by the biggest producer in the world, George Martin of Beatles fame, who showed up to compliment the band during the sessions, as Ocasek recalled: “More than once George Martin would poke his head in the studio and listen to what we were doing and he’d say, ‘You know, you guys got a hit record there.’ We would just laugh, because we never dreamed along those lines. We always thought of ourselves as a cult band making a record for 30 people.”

The success was immediate and Ocasek kept cranking out the hits for the next ten years. In all, The Cars would release five consecutive platinum and multi-platinum albums (their sixth and final album Door to Door went Gold in 1987) and an endless string of such hits as “Let’s Go,” “It’s All I Can Do,” “Double Life,” “Touch and Go,” “Don’t Tell Me No,” “Gimme Some Slack,” “Shake It Up,” “Cruiser,” “Since You’re Gone,” “You Might Think,” “Magic,” “Drive,” “Hello Again,” “Tonight She Comes,” among others.

Staying Grounded

Despite the incredible success of The Cars, Ocasek managed to keep his wits about him. His advanced age in terms of finding his first taste of success and the monumental global stardom that was still to come played a big part in not falling into the pitfalls that fame can bring.

“I think all of us in the band tried to ignore what was happening, because you can get hung-up on your own press and even start believing it, which is worse,” he explained. “I think I tended to get more jaded about it all as the success continued to grow with each album. Maybe it was my fear of getting sucked up into the star trip, which wasn’t anything I was really interested in.

“If you’re able to sit back and really take a hard look at your own reality, you can avoid it. It’s a matter of saying to yourself: ‘Am I really as great as these people say I am?’ or ‘Am I just the same person who is working really hard at this and always focused on trying to get better?’ You also realize and say to yourself that I was doing this same thing before anyone accepted it, so this isn’t about me.”

The melancholy ballad “Drive” was not only the band’s biggest hit (hitting #3 in the Orwellian year of 1984), but the memorable video shoot also had a lasting impact on Ocasek’s personal life. The star of this memorable video—model Paulina Porizkova—became Ocasek’s third wife five years later and they remained married for 28 years before they separated amicably last year. Ocasek had six children, all boys, two with each of his wives.

Ocasek didn’t forget the years and years of struggle, which helped him keep his feet on the ground when the band’s fortunes were rising higher and higher. “As a struggling writer or musician, you are always thinking your stuff sucks because no one is paying attention,” he said. “And then all the sudden people start saying it is good, and you sit and wonder, ‘Why was this not so good yesterday and now it’s amazing?’

“It’s really hard to wrap your head around it if you think too much about all of that outside stuff,” he continued, before adding with a laugh, “I just started telling myself that I’m just that same person who just has to keep getting better, and that inner challenge goes a long way in getting all that other nonsense out of your head.”

On an even more personal level, being married to one of the world’s most famous models didn’t exactly keep the tabloid wolves at bay. Ocasek and Paulina Porizkova met when she was the actress in the band’s hit video for “Drive.” They married five years later, although their 28-year marriage ended amicably last year. But at the time of our talk they were newly married and the singer-songwriter discussed dealing with the tabloids.

“Well, it happens from time to time,” he said calmly about media stalkers, noting that other celebs welcome and seek out the attention. “Some of these other couples go out a lot to get the attention and even let the paparazzi know where they’re going to be and things like that.

“I’m just a guy who likes to work rather than spending my time out in the public eye trying to get attention. Then again, I get attention just walking down the street because of the weird way I look [laughs] and Paulina obviously gets noticed because of the great way she looks [laughs].

“But, yeah, when we go out together it can be hard. Although we do live in New York now where you are a little bit more anonymous, but we don’t go to the big rock & roll events or things like that. We’re just not out promoting that we’re together, you know. I try to keep the family separate from other parts of the business, like the so-called glamour and all of that stuff.”

Technology Cars’ Style

What always made the music of The Cars so unique is their ability to incorporate basic rock riffs and driving rhythms with a slice of techno pop. Something for everyone within a single song, and no band did it better than Ocasek’s crew.

“The thing about The Cars is that we weren’t afraid to incorporate technology into our music. That goes back to when I was writing my first songs. I would be sitting on the floor with my guitar, a pen and paper, and an old Univox drum machine, that only had two beats, but it kept that tempo for me to write along with it.

“Then Greg Hawkes, our keyboard player, really got into programming and that stuff. I kind of stayed out of it. To this day, I don’t really know how to program a sequencer, but I’ve always been the kind of person who writes things up in longhand rather than typing them [laughs].”

As successful as their sound was, it was also the beginning of the end for Ocasek, even though it led to one of their most memorable albums, Heartbeat City.

“The mixture of the band and the songs and those various forms of technology we would incorporate in the studio was fun, but on the other side of it, it did become too relied upon later on in the band’s career,” he admits. “It probably peaked around the time of Heartbeat City [their massively popular fifth album in 1984].

“We made that album with [producer] Mutt Lange, who had just gotten a new Fairlight sampler, and he was really involved with learning how to use it during those sessions, pretty much at our expense,” he says with a laugh. “I expected that record to be much more live, like we did on the first album, because Mutt had just produced things like AC/DC’s Back in Black album, but it really became our most textured and layered album, but, all that aside, I really do love the record we came out with.”

The Break-Up

However after the band’s sixth album, Door to Door, in 1987, Ocasek decided that The Cars had run its course. “Basically, it did get too technological for me, and some members were just too disinterested in forward motion. I didn’t want to get too redundant and rely too heavily on the sound we always had.

“It was pretty much by mutual agreement,” he maintains. “It was twelve years together and I think our spark plugs just kind of burned out, you could say. I still love all the guys in the band.”

Ode to Orr

The band’s other lead vocalist Benjamin Orr passed away in 2000, and in 2005, on Ocasek’s final solo album Nexterday, he recorded a musical tribute to his longtime friend with the song, “Silver.”

Ric discusses Benjamin Orr on Sirius Radio in 2016.

MTV and Music Videos

The Cars were one of the most popular bands during MTV’s heyday in the ’80s with some of the most innovative videos ever produced, from the silly to the sublime. However Ocasek says he was never looking to translate his songs and their meanings into the video side of the band’s career.

“It’s funny, because I actually try to do something entirely opposite of what the lyrics are,” he said. “I’ve done some videos that completely suck that I’m totally embarrassed about, but I’ve also done some that I really love.

“On the one side, I love videos because of the imagery that’s being created. I find all that very artistically inspiring. But as far as it being related to music, I think the video revolution has hurt the mystique of music.

“I always thought it was fun to use your imagination with music. There was something cool about not knowing exactly what your favorite band looked like until you went to their concert. Or to listen to a song on the radio and imagine what the lyrics were about rather than to have it visually shoved down your throat.

“I like the visual medium but I do think it is also stifling the imagination of the bands, who are also now forced to not only write and create music, but they also now have to think about this entirely other medium. But. more importantly, I worry about the viewers because I think it detracts from using your imagination and that potentially could lead to a loss of long-term creativity.”

Legal Problems

At the time of our meeting, Ocasek had just released his third solo album Fireball Zone, his first since the break-up of The Cars. It had been three years between albums, which was an eternity in the music biz at the time. “I was changing record labels at the time, moving from Geffen to Warner Bros., and that took quite a bit of time, legally.

“I was also spending a lot of time with visual arts; my photography, collages and paintings. I also moved to New York and was moving into a new house. So there was a lot of non-musical things going on and that helped me in looking for inspiration. It’s funny,” he said, smiling, “because when people point out that it’s been three years, those years seem like months to me.”

The hit single from Ric’s first post-Cars solo album, Fireball Zone, in 1991.

But the real delay had to do with leaving his record label. Lawyers. Can’t live with them and unfortunately in the music business you can’t leave without them. “I had a lot of success obviously with The Cars at Elektra,” Ocasek explained, “but I moved to Geffen for my first two solo albums [1982’s Beatitude and 1986’s This Side of Paradise]. But by the time of this record, I started to feel stalemated at Geffen. Suffice it to say that I just didn’t feel like I had a good artist rapport with them at that point.

“They just wanted me to make Cars’ albums, but without The Cars [laughs]. I always felt that about them and I really didn’t want to stay under those conditions. I did two albums with them, but was contracted to do five, so it took a little while to work out all the legal stuff to get out of the deal. I just think that Warner Bros. is more of an artist-oriented company.”

Solo Albums vs. The Cars

One of the big questions had to do with the fact that since Ocasek literally wrote every song that The Cars recorded, how does one differentiate between The Cars and a Ric Ocasek solo album. “Of course, I wrote all the songs for The Cars, so some of my solo stuff is obviously going to be similar because it’s difficult to stay away from what you do artistically,” he said. “But I will say that, for my solo albums, I did try and choose the things that were more un-Cars-like because I wanted to establish myself as a solo artist. Of course what my perception of what Cars’ music is may be different than what fans or critics think it is. I’m in my own little bubble here.

Ocasek’s haunting hit from his 1986 solo album, This Side of Paradise.

“But in answer to your question, one of the differences is that when I would present all my songs to The Cars, the band together would choose the songs for whatever album we were working on. And while I’m certainly happy with all the songs that the band did choose, it doesn’t necessarily mean that all those were the songs that I would have chosen, left to my own devices. That’s probably the main difference is the actual selection of the material that made them Cars’ songs versus my solo material.”

Songwriting with Ric

“As far as my lyrics, I never co-write. I have co-written on a few Cars’ songs with Greg Hawkes [‘Moving in Stereo,’ ‘This Could Be Love,’ ‘It’s Not the Night’ and ‘Go Away’] and I co-wrote one of the songs, ‘Touch Down Easy,’ on this album with Rick Nowels. Those few instances are with parts of the music, because lyrically I want to be single-minded about it.”

When it comes to the lyrics of Ric Ocasek, they are often thought of differently by the audience than by the writer himself. “I think people will always dance around to a beat, no matter if the lyrics are morose or not. It’s like ‘Good Times Roll,’ which is not about letting the good times roll at all.

“Because I’m so inspired by the poetry of Voltaire and E.E. Cummings as well as new poets, I like to paint images with my lyrics. I like to create an open mood, with no beginning or end. It’s a mood enhancing element for my songs, using some surrealism to conjure up little cinematic word images.

“With radio, we all used to use our own imagination as to what the lyrics convey to us personally. And I always felt that once the song is put out there, it belongs to everyone’s own imagination. Anyone can think whatever they want as to what they think my songs mean; that’s perfectly fine with me.

“The thing is, I’m not trying to teach anyone anything. I think people are already taught enough about what to think about everything, and I don’t think that’s really healthy in the grand scheme of things. I’m just trying to say things in an interesting way; sometimes I think they’re funny and sometimes I think they’re serious. But I’m not one to preach ideas.

“In the Chinese theatre they have done the same plays for 2,000 years. They have the same costumes and the same presentations but they bring them up to date. By the same token, the major theme of pop songs has always been relationships and that won’t ever change because we live in a world of human relationships. That’s what I thrive on as a writer.”

Behind the Scenes

Lost amidst his overwhelming success with The Cars is Ocasek’s outside work as a producer throughout the past four decades. Here’s just a few of the notable hits and wide array of bands and artists he produced…

Romeo Void

Little known fact is that Ric produced this controversial 1982 classic by Romeo Void.

Weezer

Ocasek also helmed Weezer’s multi-platinum debut album in 1993, featuring one of MTV’s most popular videos of the ‘90s.

Nada Surf

Ocasek produced the debut album from Nada Surf in 1996, including their hit video “Popular.”

Bad Religion

Ocasek also was the studio captain behind Bad Religion’s 1996 album The Gray Race, including their only chart hit, “A Walk.”

No Doubt

Ocasek produced this gem of a track on No Doubt’s 2001 Top Ten album, Rock Steady.

The Cars Reunion

In the years following my interview, I kept tabs on Ric’s career as he would release four more solo albums, produce countless bands, and then in the biggest surprise of all he reformed The Cars in 2011 and released the Top Ten hit album, Move Like This.

In 2012, Ocasek published the book he had discussed with me 20 years earlier. Lyrics and Prose brought together all of his lyrics recorded with The Cars and on his solo efforts, as well as his own prose, poetry, photographs and artwork. https://www.amazon.com/Lyrics-Prose-Ric-Ocasek/dp/0399163700.

Most recently Ocasek had once again produced Weezer, as well as The Cribs, and now he has left the music world an emptier place. His name is not often mentioned with the greats in rock history, although few have matched his success or have been as uniquely original. Hopefully one day rock fans and critics will soon realize that he belongs in the uppermost echelon of our most prized musical artists. Thanks Ric for everything.

Eddie Money: In Memory Of..

Eddie Money: In Memory Of..

By Steven P. Wheeler

With yesterday’s death of Eddie Money at the age of 70, only three weeks after publicly announcing that he had been diagnosed with stage 4 esophageal cancer, I fondly recall my handful of visits with the rocker over the past 30 years.

From his flawless self-titled debut album in 1977 featuring two classic rock standards—“Two Tickets to Paradise” and “Baby Hold On”—Money managed to sustain a career that lasted more than 40 years. His plans for this year’s annual summer tour ended with what turned out to be his fatal diagnosis.

His string of hits serves as an impressive link between the eras of FM rock radio and the video world of MTV, and for more than ten years he managed to dominate both. He would ultimately sell more than 30 million albums and score an incessant number of hit singles and memorable album tracks, which is quite staggering: “Can’t Keep a Good Man Down,” “Wanna Be a Rock ‘n’ Roll Star,” “Think I’m in Love,” “Shakin’,” “Take Me Home Tonight,” “I Wanna Go Back,” “The Big Crash,” “Maybe I’m a Fool,” “Gimme Some Water,” “Rock and Roll the Place,” “Get a Move On,” “Trinidad,” “We Should Be Sleeping,” “Walk on Water,” “The Love in Your Eyes,” “Peace in Our Time,” “I’ll Get By,” “She Takes My Breath Away,” “Running Back” and “Endless Nights,” to name just a select few. He moved effortlessly between hard driving rock and synth-based pop, anchored by his soulful and instantly recognizable voice.

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1977’s “Two Tickets to Paradise” is arguably Eddie Money’s most recognized song, featuring one of the tastiest guitar solos ever captured on a hit single, courtesy of Jimmy Lyon.

Despite critics seemingly lambasting his every artistic move, his massive popularity amongst fans never waned. The New York born Eddie Mahoney was just one of them. This was a blue-collar rocker who happened to scratch his way to the top by just being himself.

Still remembered as one of the most approachable celebs in a world often divided by security walls and bodyguards, Money was also the funniest guy you would ever meet in the world of rock.

“I really don’t consider myself a star,” he told me during our first meeting in 1989. “Michael Jackson’s a star. George Michael’s a star. They’re prisoners of their own careers. I don’t need bodyguards. I’ll take a cab instead of a limo. Limousines are for funerals and weddings, not for rock singers.”

With a colorful mixture of East Coast swagger and West Coast bravado, the former NYC cop turned Berkeley hippie more than paid his dues as he followed his own path to rock stardom. While he would fight his addictions with multiple stops and starts, before achieving lasting sobriety for the last 18 years of his life, what made hanging with Eddie so much fun was that he was real.

The man didn’t put on airs. He was what he was without reservations or apologies. When he fucked up, he talked about it candidly and with a heavy dose of sarcasm and humor. And no topic or person was ever off limits, including comic stabs at himself. Calling him the Rodney Dangerfield of Rock sums up both his success and the lack of respect he most often received from uppity critics.

Talking with Eddie was like strapping yourself into a roller coaster shot out of a cannon. You knew there would be a lot of twists and turns, but it was always gonna be a fun ride and would always exceed your expectations. His outspokenness and anti-PC humor was a welcome relief in a world gone mad.

At one point during our lengthy conversation in a large conference room at Sony Music headquarters in 1991, a time when you could light up inside a building, Money leaned over and asked what kind of cigs I had and if he could bum a smoke from me. When I told him they were Salem Lights, he shrugged, grabbed one from the pack, held it in his fingers like a paper airplane and said: “You know why they call them Salems, right? Because you can sail ‘em,” as he proceeded to throw it across the room.

In short, while Eddie Money may have been a publicist’s nightmare, he was always an interviewer’s dream. He had the gift of gab as they say, and he will be missed. What follows are snippets from various conversations I had with the Money Man between 1989 and 1991.

“When I first changed my name to Eddie Money,” says the former Mr. Mahoney, “I was so broke I was thinking of also changing my first name to Owen. Owen Money. That summed it up for me in those early days.”

The Journey Begins

Born Edward Joseph Mahoney on March 21, 1949, the future Mr. Money grew up on Long Island and followed in the steps of his grandfather, father and brother into a life in the New York City Police Department. But he turned in his badge for a microphone after a couple years and headed to San Francisco in search of rock & roll stardom in the heady days of 1968.

Immersing himself in the Bay Area music scene for the next ten long years, his first big break was winning one of those proverbial Battle of the Bands contests. “I won out of 110 bands. And I said, ‘What’s the prize?’ And they said, ‘You get to play at Winterland [the now legendary club that was run by rock entrepreneur Bill Graham, who would become Money’s manager].’ I said, ‘Have you ever seen that dump with the lights on. What kinda prize is that? I need a record contract.’

“So I went home and wrote ‘Baby Hold On,’ ‘Two Tickets to Paradise’ and ‘Wanna Be a Rock & Roll Star’ and I got signed to a management deal with Bill Graham in 1976 and I’ve been with CBS Records, which is now Sony, for 15 years. I’ve been through seven label presidents and the furniture in this conference room has changed five times, but I’m still here. It’s been an amazing ride.”

“I was really surprised that ‘Baby Hold On’ became a hit. I really was, because I wrote that song in a day-and-a-half. Whereas it took me six months to write ‘Two Tickets to Paradise.’ I cranked that song out and it shot up the charts. At one point, I flew into Los Angeles from one of my tour stops, and the red carpet was out. I had no idea, I thought Paul McCartney was standing behind me or something. All the sudden I was this big rock & roll sensation because of that song. I still play ‘Baby Hold On’ in concert, because I love it.”

Eddie doing the old lip-synch on Top of the Pops in 1977.

Stardom Pitfalls

With the double-platinum success of his brilliant debut album that was quickly followed up by the equal success of his excellent sophomore effort, Life for the Taking, the fame and fortune brought along the proverbial sex, drugs and rock & roll lifestyle.

“When I got started in the late ‘70s, there was plenty of women, plenty of vodka, plenty of pot and a little bit of cocaine. Everything was fun. But I never really drank before my shows because when people pay to see me, I don’t want them paying to see some guy falling all over the stage drunk. But after work, forget it, I was a nightmare.

“Let’s put it this way, I came to rock, and what happens when you have some success in this business is you end up drinking for free, you get high for free, you snort for free, and there’s women throwing themselves at you. And when you’re playing all the time for big money and everyone is drinking and doing drugs, and you enjoy doing that, it’s easy to fall into. At one point, I did two shows in Ohio on a weekend and came home with $50,000. That’s a good weekend, right?

“It was a crazy time. I was staying at the Chateau Marmont and hanging out with [John] Belushi and Rickie Lee Jones, spending money like it was coming out of my asshole.”

Eddie Money (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

“But things changed around the time of my third album, Playing For Keeps, in 1980,” he said. “That album cost me half-a-million dollars to make with [producer] Ron Nevison. It was lights out during that period of time because the guy was out of his fuckin’ mind. And so was I. And after that album I became very despondent and disappointed with everything.

“So I did blow and then I did more blow, and then more booze to come down. So then I’d be drunk, so I’d do more blow to get back up, and the whole thing got to be a nightmare. And sometimes my voice would start going out onstage and I’d tell the guys in the band  to ‘tune it down to D’ and the guys would be playing rubber bands.

“It was a crazy time. I was staying at the Chateau Marmont and hanging out with [John] Belushi and Rickie Lee Jones, spending money like it was coming out of my asshole.”

Eddie wrote this ode to his good friend and partying pal John Belushi, shortly after Belushi’s death in 1982.

The Big Crash

Things came crashing down within a year as Money had an accidental overdose that nearly took his life. “I had a really bad drug overdose,” he explained. “I was drinking a lot one night and thought I was doing cocaine, but it ended up being synthetic barbiturate. So that knocked me unconscious and I was lying there in an awkward position and that blew out the sciatic nerve in my leg and they said I’d never walk again. But I worked my ass off in physical therapy for a long time and I hardly have a limp anymore.

“That’s what the No Control album is about and after that I didn’t get as high as I was before that, but I didn’t learn my lesson of course,” he said, candidly, about his fall from the wagon not too long after recovering from his near fatal OD.

“That album, No Control [released in 1982], was a huge success and I started making a ton of money again and I started up with the drugs again. But for the past four years [1987-91], I don’t drink anymore, I don’t smoke pot, I don’t take pills, I don’t do cocaine. I got three kids now and a wife who will kill me if I do. My focus is trying to stay straight these days.

“I used to get so high that I’d be in the dressing room, hunched over my wardrobe cabinet doing lines of coke, and I’d feel someone behind me saying, ‘Eddie, come on, you’re late for the show’ and I’d turn around and it’s the fuckin’ coat rack!”

Eddie Money (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

“Things got so bad that I was afraid to answer the telephone, ya know. It was just nuts. Now I’m just as crazy, but I’m not getting high. It reaches a point where you ask yourself, ‘How many times am I gonna get away with this?’”

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The Roller Coaster

Throughout his 20 year recording career, Money was on a roller coaster of major platinum successes often followed by less successful album sales despite keeping the hit singles coming. “Every time I make a great album, I go out on the road for a year-and-a-half and right when I get off the road, the record company will say, ‘It’s time to make another record,’ and I never have enough time to write, pick the musicians, and I’m really not prepared.

“My first two records went platinum, and then I made Playing For Keeps but that record didn’t really happen. Then I made the No Control record, which was a dynamite record, then I came back and made Where’s the Party? at a time when I didn’t have enough good material.

“Then I made the Can’t Hold Back album in 1986, which is going on double-platinum, then I did the Nothing to Lose album which had ‘Walk On Water’ [another Top Ten hit], but that one just didn’t sell as much. It’s been a cycle like that throughout my career. For the past 15 years, I think I’ve been broke during seven of those years and rich for eight of them.

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Eddie scored his biggest hit with “Take Me Home Tonight,” in which he brought back ’60s star Ronnie Spector to sing the words of her most famous song “Be My Baby,” which were part of the lyrics within this hit that has stood the test of time. The two appear here on the David Letterman Show in 1986.

“When the Nothing to Lose album was done I had just gotten sober for the second time and I wasn’t really used to myself and I was using a lot of outside material. And I remember saying, ‘Look, this is my ass. If I’m gonna lose my record deal, let me lose it with my own material rather than with stuff from outside writers.’

“[Producer] Richie Zito wanted me to record a lot of outside material on that record. I didn’t start recording a lot of outside material until I started working with Richie Zito, beginning with the Can’t Hold Back album, which was very successful. But then they wanted to try and do the same thing with the next album Nothing to Lose. That happens sometimes when producers or the record company get too involved. It’s corporate rock. These people at the label love me and I love the label but they don’t want to take any fuckin’ chances. 

“Anyway, so although Nothing to Lose went Gold, I just got tired of the Richie Zitos in the world and all those producers. I didn’t want to use session musicians, I wanted to use my drummer, my bass player, my keyboard player, ya know. When these guys in my band have been touring all over with me, playing every night, and then I go to make a record and I’m surrounded by studio musicians, that fucks up the cha-cha. I just didn’t want to fuck with the cha-cha anymore.”

A New Home

It was around this time that Money finally left his beloved Bay Area for Tinseltown, looking for a change of scenary and a new direction. “Around the time of the Nothing to Lose album in ‘87 I started getting back into the toot and started drinking again. I wasn’t getting along with my wife, and she got pregnant, so I knew I was gonna have a baby. One day I picked up my wife, left the Bay Area, moved to Los Angeles, joined AA and I’ve been sober since then. Knock on wood.

“I started over by coming here. I love the Bay Area, but it’s better for me here in L.A. If I have an interview, like with you today, I just jump in the car and I’m here. I don’t have to make flights and all of that nonsense. It’s just better now.

“Then again, I’ve sold like ten million albums and I’m lucky I still own my saxophone,” he said about his financial situation in 1991. “I’ve been through a divorce with my first wife when I had a house up north with dobermans, rottweilers, a pool, a tennis court; that’s all gone, along with the ex. Now I’m holding my ass down in a 5,000 square foot house in Westlake, California. The neighbor across the street went to Harvard, the next door neighbor went to Princeton, and they’re like, ‘What the fuck is this guy doing here?’”

Fighting the Power

Still, he has had to deal with record company demands that don’t always sit well with the veteran performer, like when his first greatest hits album came out in 1989, [Greatest Hits: The Sound of Money], and he was forced to record a handful of new songs as a way to try and bolster sales.

“Instead, I had to put this other [Diane Warren] song on there that I didn’t even like, and so Diane Warren made like $60,000 off my greatest hits album because that song is on there.”

Eddie Money (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

“The record company wanted a couple of new songs to be included and one of them was a Diane Warren song that they force-fed me called ‘Stop Steppin’ on My Heart,’ which I call ‘Stop Steppin’ on My Balls.’ I was forced to do that song by both my management company and the record company. Hey, I’ve got nothing against Diane Warren, I was jus force-fed the song because she was having so many hits at that time.

“This is my greatest hits album, so I wanted to have my song, ‘Trinidad,’ on there. My fans love that song and I play it at pretty much every concert. Or I could have put ‘Can’t Keep a Good Man Down’ on there, which was one of my hits. But instead, I had to put this other song on there that I didn’t even like, and so Diane Warren made like $60,000 off my greatest hits album because that song is on there.

“If it were up to me, I would have put out my own greatest hits that would have included ‘Trinidad,’ ‘Can’t Keep a Good Man Down,’ ‘The Big Crash,’ ‘Call on Me,’ or ‘Save a Little Room in Your Heart for Me,’ which is one of the best songs I ever wrote.”

A live unplugged version of the gorgeous “Save a Little Room In Your Heart for Me,” originally recorded on his hit debut album in 1977. Money calls this ballad one of the best songs he ever wrote.

Stepping Up

For his then-current album, Right Here, Money had relocated to Los Angeles and he also began to put his foot down and began demanding much more control of his own artistic journey. “I just got tired of all this corporate rock thing and I had just gotten off the road and had another million-dollar year on touring. Not that I actually see a million dollars from that, but I was just tired of my management company and my record label telling me what I had to do on my records. But they came around this time and let me make this record the way I wanted it to; at least more so than on the previous couple of records.

“It was nice to be in the driver’s seat this time around. I mean I’ve worked with amazing producers in my career. I worked with Bruce Botnick, who worked with The Doors. I worked with Tom Dowd, who worked with everybody from the Allman Brothers to Otis Redding to Aretha Franklin. I worked with Ron Nevison and I worked with Richie Zito. I mean, I learned a lot from working with these guys and I took it and applied it to my own material. I did work with a few other producers on this record, like Marc Tanner, Keith Olsen and Monty Byrom, but I was hands-on.

This beautiful ballad from 1992’s Right Here album would ultimately prove to be Eddie’s final Top 40 hit.

When discussing Right Here, Money sounds totally revitalized as we run through the track list. “The first single was ‘Heaven in a Back Seat’ and the record company wanted me to do that one. Keith Olson produced it and it’s all machines. It’s really hard to play live with a band. I think it got to #58 on the charts and now that single is over and I’m glad because I don’t have to play it live anymore,” he said with a laugh. “It’s a sexy tune though and it was a cool video, but it didn’t take off.

“‘Fire and Water’ is about fighting with the old lady. ‘Prove It Every Night’ is about us. ‘I’ll Get By’ is a lonely blues song and ‘Fall in Love Again’ is a great tune. ‘She Takes My Breath Away’ is about my wife because she’s so beautiful. I mean, I get tired just looking at her.

An acoustic version of “She Takes My Breath Away,” a fan favorite from the Right Here album.

“And I love ‘Another Nice Day in L.A.’ because I live in L.A. and L.A. is a lot like New York, you love it and hate it. I wrote that Monty and Stan Lynch and John Corey. John Corey brought me the track with no melody line, just the chords. And we were sitting in the car outside Cherokee Studios, and it was burning hot out and I said, ‘Well, here it is, another nice day in L.A.’ And I thought that’s a great title, so Monty and I put the lyrics together and we had the song. That would make a great video.”

Unfortunately, the chance of this infectious track becoming a summertime hit in 1992 were dashed when the infamous L.A. riots tore the city apart in the wake of the Rodney King incident at the end of April that year. Not exactly the opportune time to be singing about sunshine and L.A. dreams. But it still holds up some 28 years later.

One of those shoulda-been hits from 1992.

Winds of Change

Having been through decades of the rock & roll wars, the changes and trends continue to shift like the wind. Once a darling of MTV and mainstream radio, Money understands the reality of having to figure out ways to reach his loyal audience in the changing music landscape.

“Making records is like a fuckin’ crap shoot. Based on all the records I’ve made, this one should go triple-platinum, but will it? I have no idea. Nobody does. You put it out and promote it and hope for the best.

“I’m proud of the fact that I think it’s a great album and if radio doesn’t give me a shot, then I’ll go out on the road and I’ll put seven or eight songs from this record in the set, and I’ll visit radio stations and try and get some of the AOR [Album-Oriented Rock] stations to play some of it, and if people like what they hear, they’ll hopefully go out and buy the record.

“The best way to sell the new record is to do the Traveling Medicine Show and play some of these new songs to let the fans know that there’s a new album out. I’m playing 4-5,000 seaters lately, so if 2,000 of those people buy the new record in each city, that adds up to a lot of sales, and that’s how I have to do it these days.

“I’m getting older and radio may not want me anymore, so I may not sell as many records anymore. But I’m going out on the road, I’ve got my fans out there, I’ve got a strong base, and I’ll sell records that way. I do what I can. Hell, that’s what I did when I was a kid. I’d go see Quicksilver Messenger Service at the Carousel Ballroom and I’d go out and buy the record. I’d see Santana and, boom, I’d buy the record. I’d see Jimi Hendrix and, bang, I’d buy the record.”

“With MTV, I understand that I’m older now and it’s all about these skin-and-bones kids with their hair extensions. I mean, the only reason I picked up a copy of Rolling Stone two weeks ago with the guy from Skid Row on it is I thought it was a chick. I thought it had a centerfold in it.”

Eddie Money (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

And while he has made videos for the album, he knows that MTV is most likely not going to be supporting him much this time around because of their changing demographic. “Just a few years ago MTV loved ‘Take Me Home Tonight’ with Ronnie Spector and they loved ‘Walk on Water.’ Now I’m just trying to get on VH1. At least Perry Como’s not on VH1 yet,” he said with a laugh. “Now if Kenny Rogers’ shows up on VH1 with ‘Gambler,’ then I might be a little afraid, but it’s okay, I’ll take what I can get.

“With MTV, I understand that I’m older now and it’s all about these skin-and-bones kids with their hair extensions. I mean, who the fuck is Firehouse? I mean, the only reason I picked up a copy of Rolling Stone two weeks ago with the guy from Skid Row on it is I thought it was a chick. I thought it had a centerfold in it.

“But, seriously, I have nothing against these young acts because at one point I was I was like them. I was Eddie Fuckin’ Money; out of my mind, drinking like a fish, high as a big dog. But times change and shit happens, man. I’m just rolling with the punches.”

The Graying of Rock & Roll

The question about age in rock & roll was a big topic of discussion in the late ‘80s and early ‘90s as veteran artists moved past the once unheard of rock age of 40, and even 50. I presented that topic to Eddie and just let him run with it.

What would Jimi Hendrix be doing right now if he didn’t die a legend? Would he be selling millions of albums still? I mean George Harrison and Paul McCartney aren’t making albums as big as what they did with The Beatles. I mean, Guns N’ Roses is a good band, there’s a place for them, but I still like the Steve Miller Band, ya know. I’m lost in the late ‘60s and the early ‘70s when it comes to my tastes and what I enjoy listening to.

I’m not gonna go out and get a ton of tattoos and wear zebra skin pants to compete, ya know. That just ain’t me. I don’t begrudge any musician who can make money in this insane rat race that is the music business.”

Eddie Money (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

“It’s happening to a lot of us. John Cougar Mellencamp is having trouble getting airplay, he can’t get arrested with that new tune he’s got. Bryan Adams after that huge, huge hit is having trouble with his new puppy. Bob Seger has a great new album and he’s not getting the airplay he used to get. I love Bob Seger. I mean, what are you gonna do? The market has changed on radio. It’s either classic rock stations playing all our old songs or it’s the young new bands. It’s tough, man.

“Here’s the thing, Guns N’ Roses is a real rock & roll band. I’m not saying they’re the most talented band in the world and I’m not saying they’re the least talented band in the world. They have their moments, they’re controversial and all of that. It’s like Motley Crue, they’re making money hand over fist right now and I don’t begrudge them that.

“They found their little pocket and they do it well. But I’m not gonna go out and get a ton of tattoos and wear zebra skin pants to compete, ya know. That just ain’t me. I don’t begrudge any musician who can make money in this insane rat race that is the music business.

“But there’s the guys like Bob Seger and myself and Bryan Adams and John Cougar. The times are changing and maybe we’re all just the dinosaurs. I’ll tell you in five years. I don’t know what I’m gonna do if my rock & roll career is over, but I’m going for as long as people want to see me perform or make records.

“I mean, it’s not like a job. I don’t punch a time clock. I don’t have to check out the traffic report in the morning. I’ve been doing this since high school. If someone rings the bell and says the party’s over, I’m gonna be in trouble. I’ve got three kids and a wife, I don’t know what would happen. What kind of resume could I put together? The last job I had was in the police department and that was in 1968!

“I don’t know I think I have a lot of life left in me, and I think this album is really good and I really hope it does well.”

Working for a Living

Ultimately, Right Here received a modicum of airplay and included what ultimately became his final Top 40 hit, “I’ll Get By,” which charted to #21. The following year, he released his first live album, the criminally underrated Unplug It In, while Love and Money came and went in 1995. A second live album (and DVD), Shakin’ with the Money Man, arrived in ’97, and his final studio album of original material, Ready Eddie, was released in 1999.

Since that time, a slew of greatest hits compilations have been flooding the market, with the two-disc, 35-song The Essential Eddie Money being the best encapsulation of his lengthy and varied career.

“You couldn’t sell me as a hostage in Europe. If you want to really break in Europe you have to break through in England and I just haven’t made it there. They wined me and dined me there and I had a wonderful time, but I just never sold a lick of shit there.”

Eddie Money (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler

Ironically, for all his stardom in America, Money jokingly points out that he never was able to crack the international market. “You couldn’t sell me as a hostage in Europe,” he cracked. “I don’t know, I do pretty good in Germany and sell some records in Italy and Sweden, but I couldn’t get arrested in the U.K. I sell pretty well in Australia and Japan, but if you want to really break in Europe you have to break through in England and I just haven’t made it there. They wined me and dined me there and I had a wonderful time, but I just never sold a lick of shit there.”

Since the dawn of the new millennium, Money’s career has centered on the concert stage, something that he’s incredibly grateful for. “I have to pay the bills, ya know,” he said, “and touring around the country and playing my music to great fans certainly beats mowing lawns or digging ditches. I love playing live for people, but let’s face it I’m not crazy about the cauliflower and dip in the dressing rooms. I’m not in it for the cold cuts, ya know.

“I go out on the road because it keeps the money coming in and the money keeps going out, and people seem to still want to see me perform, so this is my job and how I make a buck. No different than anyone else who works for a living.

“I can pretty much play what I want in concert, as long as I include things like ‘Two Tickets to Paradise’ and ‘Wanna Be a Rock & Roll Star’ and things like that. But I don’t do things like ‘The Big Crash’ or ‘Club Michelle’ anymore, but I can always bring them back if I want to. I’d love to do three-hour shows like Springsteen, but that’s not really what people want from me.”

“Touring around the country and playing my music to great fans certainly beats mowing lawns or digging ditches. I love playing live for people, but let’s face it I’m not crazy about the cauliflower and dip in the dressing rooms.”

Eddie Money (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

At the time of our last meeting in ’91, I asked Eddie about the possibility of him moving into the world of acting, as his personality would seem to be a tailor-made fit. “I’ve met a lot of big-time movie directors, like Francis Ford Coppola, who tell me that I should get into movies and that I’d be a natural actor,” he admitted. “But fuck that shit, what am I gonna do, be like Sting in Dune, and spend six months in a scorching hot tin can trailer in the desert to appear for six minutes in my underwear for one of the biggest flops in the century? Nah, I’m not interested in that at this point.”

And while it’s not acting, per se, Money did make a few appearances on the telly, like the memorable 2002 one on the hit sit-com King of Queens, starring his friend Kevin James. In the episode, James’ character lands a financial windfall and spends his money crazily in one day before his wife finds out, including hiring Eddie to give a private performance at his house.

Final Thoughts

Last year, Eddie and his family—second wife Laurie, whom he married in 1989, and his five kids—moved into the world of reality television with their series Real Money on AXS-TV. Sadly, an episode discussing his cancer diagnosis aired just one day before he succumbed to his illness yesterday. That’s a bit too much reality.

Enjoy your ticket to paradise, Eddie. Thanks for all the laughs and music. You will be missed. So let’s end this little tribute in a way that the Money Man would appreciate: Everybody Rock ‘n’ Roll the Place this weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_glKU8vDuTE
Nicky Hopkins: The Legendary Ivory-Tickler

Nicky Hopkins: The Legendary Ivory-Tickler

By Steven P. Wheeler

On the 25th anniversary of his tragic passing at the age of 50 due to complications from intestinal surgery, I’ve pulled out my old tapes from two interviews with this member of rock royalty. Nicky Hopkins was a true legend whose remarkable and unmistakable piano work graced some of the greatest songs in music history, and that is not hyperbole.

Always humble and unassuming, when I pointed out during one of our interviews that he was the only musician to have worked with British rock’s three most famous bands—The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and The Who—he simply paused for a moment and said, “I guess that’s true. Interesting thought. Wave the flags, boys.”

Nicky with the Stones in the studio working on the soon-to-be classic “Sympathy For the Devil” in 1968.

Nicky’s credits and career are unparalleled among session musicians. The Beatles, the Stones, the Who, the Kinks, the Jeff Beck Group, Rod Stewart, Joe Cocker, the list is endless. Hell, the guy even played Woodstock with Jefferson Airplane. But his immortal legacy also included work outside the rock world, including playing with seemingly everyone from Ella Fitzgerald to Willie Nelson. He even played with Spinal Tap bringing a reality to their parodies, not surprising given Nicky’s wit and his well-known love of Monty Python.

While I can only scratch the surface of his illustrious career, I’ve also included some personal anecdotes of spending some personal time with the quiet man from Middlesex, England, both in the recording studio and out.

A brief snippet of Nicky’s haunting work on John Lennon’s “Jealous Guy,” of which Yoko Ono says: “Nicky Hopkins’ playing on ‘Jealous Guy’ is so melodic and beautiful that it still makes everyone cry, even now.”

The Early Days

The son of an accountant, Nicky received a scholarship to the Royal Academy of Music in 1955, where he was ingrained with classical music for five years, from the age of 11 to 16. But rock & roll snagged his attention at the age 15 and by the following year, in 1960, the prodigy was on the road with Screaming Lord Sutch, Britain’s original “shock rocker” before that term ever existed.

“In 1960, I started with Screaming Lord Sutch,” Hopkins told me, “and what happened was that the drummer, Carlo Little, and I who were with Sutch, later joined the Cyril Davies All-Stars, which was quite a big band. Cyril was the foremost blues artist in England and I got quite a reputation playing in that band.

“In fact, the Stones were our support act back in ’62 and ’63 and that’s how I first got to know them. But we didn’t run into each other much in those days because they were on the road a lot and they were also recording at RCA/Victor Studios in Hollywood, and that was long before I ever came over here to America. Their first album was recorded in England, but after that they were recording in the States.”

Just as his reputation was growing throughout the London music industry, Hopkins early career came to a life-threatening halt. Always suffering from illness during his childhood, he was hospitalized for more than a year, ultimately losing his gall bladder, a kidney, and suffering a collapsed lung as well.

“Nobody in the world ever played piano like Nicky Hopkins—the way he played chords. A piano is a piano, and the keys are the keys, and the chords are chords, but one individual can make that same piano sound so different from another person and Nicky embodied that whole thing, man. Nicky played like nobody else. Nicky always sounded like he was in a cloud somewhere. His playing was astonishingly beautiful. He always elevated everybody.”

Legendary session drummer Jim Keltner

The Sessions Begin

After two years, his career was kick-started again in 1965 when his former Sutch mate, drummer Carlo Little offered him a session gig after the scheduled pianist had called in sick right before the recording session. Eager to get working again, Hopkins stepped up and when he walked in the studio there was future legendary producer Glyn Johns handling the recording engineer duties, future Led Zeppelin founder Jimmy Page was producing the session, and some guy named Jeff Beck was playing guitar. “It was quite a session,” Hopkins recalled with a laugh.

“It was for some song that never saw the light of day, but what happened at the end of the session was that Jimmy Page said, ‘Do you guys want to do a jam? I’ll give all of you an acetate of it.’ And we thought, ‘Great, we’ll play and get a copy of whatever we do.’

“So we jammed for about half-an-hour but we never got an acetate, and then about three years later the thing came out on some anthology called The Best of the British Blues, which came out on RCA/Victor. That was quite interesting to see that go down. No royalties on that one,” he noted. Something that the future session superstar would grow used to, reluctantly.

Future Faces and Rolling Stones guitarist Ronnie Wood and Nicky during their time together in the Jeff Beck Group.

“But what happened is that from that session,” Hopkins explained, “Glyn was responsible for putting me in touch with Shel Talmy, who was producing The Kinks and The Who, and that’s how I started working with them, and things just sort of snowballed from there. I became the most sought after keyboard player in England.”

Nicky recorded loads of sessions with The Kinks, with “Sunny Afternoon” being a #1 hit.

Kinks’ singer-songwriter Ray Davies said of Nicky shortly after his death in 1994: “Nicky, unlike lesser musicians, didn’t try to show off; he would only play when necessary. But he had the ability to turn an ordinary track into a gem–slotting in the right chord at the right time or dropping a set of triplets around the back beat, just enough to make you want to dance. On a ballad, he could sense which notes to wrap around the song without being obtrusive. He managed to give ‘Days,’ for instance, a mysterious religious quality without being sentimental or pious.”

For his part, when I asked about how he became such an in-demand talent, he would only say: “There were a few piano players in England at the time who could play rock & roll, but they didn’t have the music theory background that I had and they couldn’t read charts and they had no formal musical training like I had. So I was able to take on all sorts of work. Bands in those days could never write down chord charts, and I was able to come up with things very quickly. I got a name for doing that within a few years.”

Enter the Stones

So in demand was Hopkins by 1966 that he was inked to his own record deal and released his first solo album The Revolutionary Piano of Nicky Hopkins, featuring his twist on hit songs from all over the musical map.

In 1967, Olympic Studios in London became the first eight-track studio in England and the Rolling Stones began recording in their homeland after so many years making records in America. Soon enough, Hopkins got the call from the Stones as they were recording Their Satanic Majesties Request. These first sessions would lead to Hopkins becoming a vital musical force as part of the Rolling Stones for more than a decade, including three tours and countless albums and sessions.

“The first thing I ever recorded with them was a song called ‘We Love You,’ recalled Hopkins. “There’s a piano riff that starts the song off and goes all the way through it, and I had that riff going around in my head for about three weeks before I started working with them. And, at one point, in the studio, I was just sitting at the piano and I started playing that riff and Mick and Keith came over and said, ‘Hey, that’s great. Keep playing that. Now take it up to B and back down to A and up to E,’ and so on.

Nicky’s driving piano riff that became the Stones’ “We Love You.”

“So we got the chord structure that way and then later on they added a top melody and words. So my input with the Stones happened all different ways.”

Another Nicky Hopkins classic piano work during that first session with the Stones can be found on “She’s a Rainbow.”

“Revolution”

Ironically, “We Love You” also included some backing vocals from Paul McCartney and John Lennon from that other band. And within a year, the Fab Four called on Hopkins to play some electric piano on their next single, the electrifying “Revolution.” Hopkins’ solo in the blistering rocker is one for the books.

Nicky’s fiendishly crazy solo in “Revolution” remains a classic. He would also record with each of the individual Beatle’s solo albums following the breakup of the Fab Four.

“That’s what was so great about those days is that the musicians would all hangout together in the studios,” Hopkins maintains. “You never knew who would be around from day to day. And as a result of that Stones session, John called me the following year in ‘68 to play on the fast, electric version of ‘Revolution,’ which they were going to release as a single.

And they were all pleased with what I did on that song, and then John said, ‘We have lots more work. Do you fancy doing some?’ Of course I said, ‘Yeah, that’d be great.’ But he never called [laughs].” More on that later.

Nicky’s memorable keyboard work during this Let It Bleed recording remains timeless.

Having worked with both the Stones and the Beatles, I asked about whether the rumors of a serious competition between the two bands was true. “No, not at all. In fact, it was quite the opposite,” he said. “They hung out quite a lot and supported each other. A lot of people think that after the Beatles released Sgt. Pepper that the Stones tried to do the same thing with Satanic Majesties, and that they were trying to outdo each other.

“It wasn’t that,” he continued. “I think people were just moving in various new directions because of the particular drugs they were taking. I mean, there was a lot of LSD flying around at that time [laughs].”

Nicky can be seen playing live with the Stones on the Rock & Roll Circus TV special in 1968.

Coming to America

While working on the Stones’ two most legendary albums of the ’60s—Beggar’s Banquet (including the “We are deeply indebted to Nicky Hopkins” message on the sleeve) and Let It Bleed—Hopkins also turned down Jimmy Page’s offer to join his new band Led Zeppelin and after working with the Jeff Beck Group on the immortal Truth album, Hopkins briefly joined that band instead in early ’69 recording the epic Beck-Ola featuring his beautiful instrumental “Girl From Mill  Valley.”

Nicky’s sublime composition from his days as a member of the Jeff Beck Group in 1969.

Following a few months of touring the U.S., Beck abruptly disbanded the group. Vocalist Rod Stewart and bassist Ronnie Wood would join The Faces, and Hopkins would relocate to the Bay Area of California amidst the remnants of the Summer of Love, which took place a few years previous.

“I came here to do some work with Steve Miller in the middle of ’69, who was working with Glyn Johns at the time. I was only supposed to be there for two or three weeks and then I was supposed to join back up with the Stones, but I told them I just couldn’t leave San Francisco,” Nicky said with a laugh. “That little stay lasted about seven-and-a-half years.”

Woodstock

At that time, Hopkins also hooked up with the quintessential Bay Area band of that era, Jefferson Airplane, on their hit album Volunteers. Then in August of that year, he joined the Airplane onstage for a little gig known as Woodstock.

Nicky onstage at Woodstock playing with the Jefferson Airplane.

“Oh yeah, that was amazing,” he recalled. “It was incredible. I didn’t know what it was before we went, I just heard that it was gonna be some big concert on the East Coast. There had been other big concerts, but this was to be the biggest. What none of us knew was that it was still going to be talked about all these years later.

A little over three months later, the positive vibes of Woodstock would be wiped out by the insanity and murder that occurred at Altamont where the Stones and the Airplane performed. “Interestingly enough, I was going to play at Altamont a couple of months later because I didn’t live too far from there,” Hopkins explained, “but something held me back; very strange.”

Much in demand, Hopkins then joined another Northern California psychedelic band. This time it was with Quicksilver Messenger Service for two albums, which were often dominated by Hopkins’ keyboards, most prominently on the epic, “Edward, the Mad Shirt Grinder.”

Of his three solo albums, Hopkins said: “The Revolutionary Piano album did quite well in England in ‘66. The second one, The Tin Man Was a Dreamer, did even better in ‘72, but the next one No More Changes wasn’t a great record. It was a dreadful record that came out in ’75. It was not a good time for me and it was made under the effect of too many drugs.”

John Lennon

Then in ’71, I went back to England, and John Lennon called me to come work on the Imagine album. John came out and met me because we recorded it at his house, Tittenhurst Park, out in the country. And I said, ‘What ever happened back in ’68? You said you guys had a lot more work, but you never called.’ And he said, ‘We all figured you were just too busy with the Stones to bother’ [laughs].”

“John was a great guy. I mean, he was fallible, he was human and he had his problems but he was a great dreamer. He had great visions of how he would ideally conceive the world to be and I considered him to be a spokesman for me and, of course, millions of other people.”

Nicky Hopkins (Interview by Steven P. Wheeler)

After having arrived after not seeing each other since the “Revolution” sessions three years previously, Hopkins makes clear that he didn’t see any major changes in the former Beatle. “I can’t say that I saw any real changes in John between the time of the Beatles and when we hooked up again for the Imagine album.

“To me, John was a great guy. I mean, he was fallible, he was human and he had his problems but he was a great dreamer. He had great visions of how he would ideally conceive the world to be and I considered him to be a spokesman for me and, of course, millions of other people. He was the one who got up there and said what we were all feeling and it was great.

“The author L. Ron Hubbard once said: ‘A culture is only as great as its dreams and those dreams are dreamed by artists.’ And I thought that really summed up John Lennon because he really did dream for all of us.

“I have very, very fond memories of John. He worked very quickly in the studio, which is how I like to work, and he did it with no sacrifice to the quality of the work. He was just able to get things done properly in a record amount of time.

“When he moved to New York at the end of 1971, I came over to play on his ‘Happy Xmas (War is Over)’ single and I said to him, ‘Why did you move to New York?’ because, to me, it was always such an intense and fast city. I always found it difficult to be there for more than a couple of weeks. And he just said, ‘It’s the only place that I’ve found that can keep up with me.’ And he was not joking, he was serious, and it all made sense to me. Working with John was definitely a highlight of my career.”

“Who’s Next”

In between the Imagine sessions and the ‘Happy Xmas’ single, Hopkins also worked on one of the greatest rock albums in history, The Who’s Who’s Next. “The thing about The Who was that Pete Townshend would come in the studio with a finished acetate of whatever song that he had done at his home studio. And the version done by The Who would turn out either slightly better or slightly worse than what Pete had done in his home studio by himself.”

“Getting in Tune” is a great example of Nicky’s keyboard versatility as he moves from the tender melodic beauty of the intro to the piano-pounding jam that closes this Who classic.

Having played on so many classic albums, the question I had for Nicky was whether or not, he knew these sessions were truly that special at the time. “There are times when I do realize just how magical an album is going to be during the sessions,” he said. ” There are times when I do realize just how magical an album is going to be during the sessions. I certainly felt that with Beggar’s Banquet and Let It Bleed, and on ‘Revolution’ and on John’s albums Imagine and Walls & Bridges and ‘Happy Xmas,’ and also with Who’s Next. It really was obvious that they were going to be huge albums. How could that not? [laughs].

Rolling Stoned

In 1971, Nicky was back with the Stones for a few cuts on Sticky Fingers, and the following year he was living with the band during the famous Exile on Main Street sessions and he would become a sixth member of the group by joining them on three tours from 1971-73.

Nicky Hopkins (second from left), the sixth Stone, during the band’s 1973 tour in Australia.

His longtime health issues brought his touring with the Stones to an end, but he would continue to record with them throughout the rest of the ‘70s adding his unmistakable majestic talents to such hits as “Angie,” “Time Waits for No One,” “Fool to Cry” and “Waiting on a Friend.”

During those infamous tours with the Stones, the question arises as to how accurate those tales of debaunchery truly are: “At that time, it really was like being an official member of the band. I was either in the studio or on tour with them, so it really was like that.

“I wouldn’t say that all those stories have been blown out of proportion, although it’s bound to get exaggerated somewhat,” he revealed. “But there was a lot of strange people that would always be around the band and come on the road and that was a hard element to deal with. Posers, lots of posers were around in those days.

“You Are So Beautiful”

Throughout his work with the Stones, Hopkins was still playing sessions constantly with other artists and his magic touch helped create hit after hit after hit. Probably most memorable is the stunning duet between Nicky and Joe Cocker on the classic ballad, “You Are So Beautiful.”

“Every time I hear Joe Cocker’s ‘You Are So Beautiful’ I want to cry before Joe’s vocals even come in. People try to emulate that piano piece, but there’s only one person could have played that… Nicky Hopkins.”  

Peter Frampton

“That was a memorable session,” Hopkins said in a massive understatement. “My work with Joe Cocker would have to be at the top of my list, because he’s such a wonderful guy and we had so great times together. It’s great to see him today because he looks so great and he sounded great, and it’s great to see him having so much success all these years later.

“I would love to do something with Joe again, but I don’t see how that’s possible because he’s had Chris Stainton with him for the past 15 years and they work well together.”

Although their collaboration brought Cocker back into the spotlight with that classic track, when Nicky joined Cocker on his 1977 tour, their boozing reached new heights as the pianist explained: “Joe wasn’t do good at that time and quite honestly neither was I. Some people thought we were having some sort of competition [laughs], it’s just that we were both so out of it in those days we used to hang out all the time.

Nicky and Joe Cocker relaxing with friends during their wild and crazy 1977 tour.
(Photo by Scott Whitehair/Fairfax Media via Getty Images).

“Plus, [notorious partier and Stones’ sax player] Bobby Keys was with us too. Apparently we toured Australia and New Zealand and South America for like six weeks I think. At least, people told us we did [laughs]. It was a good time actually. I do remember some of it.”

The List Goes On

Here are just a few of some more memorable Nicky performances from the ’70s…

Nicky would not only play on this #1 U.K. hit in 1975, but he would also tour the world as Garfunkel’s musical director into the late ’80s and early ’90s.
This epic live performance of the Dylan classic features some stunning work from the nimble fingers of both Jerry Garcia and Nicky Hopkins during their 1975 tour.

The Final Years

In the years before his untimely death in 1994, Nicky continued session work with the likes of Paul McCartney, Bill Wyman’s Rhythm Kings, Gary Moore, Jack Bruce, Graham Parker and also took part in the Jefferson Airplane’s reunion album. In addition, shortly before his death, he broke into the world of scoring for television with three soundtrack albums released in Japan.

“Nicky played on a couple of my albums and we became friends and often hung out with each other in both Los Angeles and London for some years. As well as his beautiful piano work, he was a lovely guy who could do a pitch-perfect Monty Python sketch like nobody’s business. Oh, how we laughed!  I miss him so much.” – Graham Parker
“Nicky Hopkins was probably the greatest piano player I ever performed with, both for his many years working with the Rolling Stones, and recording with him later for the Rhythm Kings and at charity concerts. He was a genius. I visited his home in San Francisco, and during ‘Exile On Main Street’ sessions in the South of France, he would stay at my house. Once in Olympic Studios, [Stones original pianist] Ian Stewart played Nicky and I the first track of the new Delaney & Bonnie album, and Nicky went into the studio and played the entire thing perfectly after just one hearing. Ian Stewart turned to me and said, ‘That’s what I don’t like about Nicky Hopkins.’” – Bill Wyman

My Nicky Memories

I had the good fortune of getting to know Nicky quite well in the last year or so of his abbreviated life. Interviewed him twice and also invited him to be a judge with me at a “Battle of the Bands” type contest in Hermosa Beach. That was a good day as it was cool for him to get some face-to-face feedback from fans after his introduction, which I scribbled down quickly for the emcee.

When they realized that a member of rock royalty was in their midst, with his incredible and endless credits, the bands (who weren’t all that great, by the way) wanted to talk with him after the show.

NIcky and Keith work out some musical passages while Mick and saxophonist Bobby Keys look on during the Exile on Main Street sessions in France.

Then, and this is my GREATEST memory of Nicky. I hesitantly asked him to play on a session for a band that I was managing who were signed to SRC Records (an affiliate label through Zoo/BMG) at the time in the early 90s.

I remember him in the studio listening to the six-minute track, “Desolation Unknown,” an Allman Brothers-ish rock ballad, for the first time. We had planned on him adding some simple organ textures. After hearing the tune for the first time, he said in his English lilt, “Do you mind if I try something on piano instead?”

We were like, “Um, sure, whatever you think.”

Nicky left the booth went out behind the glass and sat at the piano, gave a nod, and as the tape rolled, he began playing on the first take. It didn’t take long until we were staring at each other, going, “Oh my god!” His piano parts LITERALLY made it sound as if we had added an orchestra to the track.

After that first take, we were all clapping and saying, “Wow, that’s amazing, Nicky, thanks.” But he didn’t get up from the piano, and just said, “Let me try it again.”

The producer said, “Let me save that one, give me a second.” To our disbelief, Nicky quietly replied, “No need, erase it. Just let me do it again.”

We were mumbling to ourselves in the booth, “Damn, that was perfect, we should really save it.”

Nicky playing the keyboards for Joe Cocker during their 1977 tour.
(Photo by Scott Whitehair/Fairfax Media via Getty Images).

Meanwhile the producer had already started the playback for the second take, and this time Nicky brought in his amazing goosebump-inducing “ivory teardrop fills” in just the right places and it was truly a 1,000 percent improvement over the previous take which we had already felt was incredible.

Our singer-songwriter then pressed the talk-back button and asked him to do a piano solo that might replace the current guitar solo. Nicky listened to the guitar solo again and said, “Why would you want to remove that? That’s a brilliant solo. Really, don’t mess with it.”

I’ll never forget the smile on our guitarist’s face when he heard that. He was beaming up on Cloud 9, courtesy of the greatest compliment a musician can ever hear coming as it did from the man who had played with the greatest guitarists in rock music history.

I still remember to this very day the musical nirvana that made the hair on my arms stand on end as I witnessed Nicky play that second take. And I am getting them again as I listen to that song while writing this. The greatest 15 musical minutes I ever experienced in a recording studio, and outside as well.

Nicky and John Lennon during the Imagine recordings sessions in 1971.

Then, from the piano bench, Nicky humbly asked: “Got anything else?” We played him a barroom, tongue-in-cheek rocker called, “Success Hasn’t Spoiled Me Yet,” and Nicky loved the lyrics and said, “Let it roll.”

Nicky brought out his other artistic side with some rollicking rock piano, and one-and-a-half takes later, we were once again humbled by his brilliance. A great memory that I shall never ever forget.

Nicky moved to Nashville the following year, and we had one conversation during that time, when I pitched him on helping put together a book detailing his life and amazing career. He had openly shared so many stories, so many sessions, so many tours, so much history, that I knew his story needed to be documented properly.

I sent him a proposal of what it would look like, however he then explained that he had already entered the beginning phases of working with the late music biographer Ray Coleman. However Nicky passed away within a year, in 1994, and Coleman himself died two years later, nearly to the day of Nicky’s death.

Fortunately, in 2011, British singer-songwriter Julian Dawson, who had done some recording with Nicky right before his passing, published the biography, And on Piano…Nicky Hopkins.

He will always be classic rock’s greatest keyboardist in my humble opinion. And one thing I will say, in either an interview situation or more importantly in regular shooting-the-shit situations, Nicky NEVER had a bad word to say about anyone; at least to me.

He laughed easily, talked openly and candidly about his experiences—the great memories and even the “blurry” ones. He was just one of those men who didn’t seem to bother wasting energy on bad-mouthing anybody; and despite his amazing history, he was extremely humble even a bit shy at times.

A true gentleman and a spectacular talent (that I was fortunate enough to witness first-hand in the studio) is how I will always remember him.

Memorialized in 2018

Last year, Nicky’s former manager Gray Levett and stalwart fan John Wood created a crowdfunding campaign to erect a permanent memorial to this musician’s musician, in the form of a park bench designed like a piano in the area where Nicky spent his childhood.

The campaign offered the opportunity for pledgers to have their name inscribed on the bench and contribute towards funding a music scholarship at London’s Royal Academy of Music, where Nicky Hopkins himself won a scholarship in the 1950s.

Among the names who pledged to the campaign included Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, Ronnie Wood, Bill Wyman, Yoko Ono Lennon, Roger Daltrey, Jimmy Page, Johnnie Walker, Bob Harris and Kenney Jones.

“It’s unbelievable to think that Nicky won no awards for his stellar contribution to the music industry,” Gray Levett said in a statement. “Many fans feel, as do I, that he is the ultimate unsung rock hero and that he definitely deserves to be included in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. We hope this memorial will go some way towards acknowledging Nicky for his extraordinary talent. We’re hoping that his bench will find its way onto London’s rock tourist circuit, attracting fans from all over the world.”

The bench was officially dedicated in a ceremony last September. An online campaign to try and get Nicky into his rightful place within the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ended last week on September 1st. We can only hope that the Hall does the proper thing and inducts Nicky Hopkins soon.

Nicky’s widow Moira and his sister Dee at the memorial event in September 2018.